I was part of the Forum on money and there were several people who before the EveryBody initiative was announced that were mentioning changing the name of BN to remove the word naturist. Finding a more modern society name. I remember once I lived in a block of flats in London, we had a communal area cleaner and he had some faults - instead of wanting to speak about the faults the answer was get rid of him and find another. Fair enough if he had been given warning or had the faults confronted - but that was not the case. We cannot just bail out every time things get tough, we need to repair, readjust and get back in the saddle. Like the resignation of Liz Truss- sometimes we have to keep on trying - not just give up. 

I have always thought it was very unfortunate that two words have been developed - it has never really mattered that the front of a car has a bonnet or a hood depending on where you are from, but for a minority group having both naturist and nudist does cause a conflict in our "ism" which simply doesn't help with appreciation of what we are all about. Debates about differences seem rather foolish - you can force a difference but at the end of the day it is about enjoying time socially and non-sexually naked - some who think nudist may be more philosophical about the lifestyle then some who prefer naturist - that all depends on personality. It is like attempting to argue the difference between campaigning for naturism or crusading for naturism. Some campaigners may feel more like crusaders and vice versa. It would be great in the term Nudist (which has been so poorly used by the internet) was faded it and naturism allowed to flourish but either way we need to fight for one or both of these words. 

I fought the case for the continued use of the word "naturism" at the forum when hearing other thoughts - "naked recreation" is simply to open to interpretation - as Rob so helpfully illustrates. If youngsters don't yet take the word on then we should encourage them to want to. IT isn't about branding them - it is about encouraging them to appreciate that their enjoyment of being naked comes with a name, and a set of ideas, that can be embraced on different levels. 

Why am I a vegetarian? - health reasons, environmental reasons, cruelty reasons, taste reasons, allergy reasons, cost reasons....maybe others, maybe a mix of them maybe none - maybe I just like it. 

The same with naturism - people can get what they want from it and do it for different reasons - none are right and none matter as long as they do it, enjoy it and respect it. There is much talk about body confidence, equality, diversity, mental health - this is all great but it is all the safe words that people like to hashtag - but this is naturism - we should insist that is understood. Without the name we can just flounder about. But naturism is something I feel modern society could really latch on to - is is so very positive and it is very much in tune with other ideas - green issues, respect, nature, striving for a more positive future, freedom of expression and choice. If we stand firmly behind the name then we can push it forward, if we stand away from the name we may all end up pushing in different directions.

Incidentally EveryBody is not for everybody - it states clearly that it is only for the over 18s

"EveryBody events are for those 18 or older to enjoy exploring a Naked world, pushing their personal boundaries and focusing on themselves.

We firmly believe that bringing children up in an environment where nakedness and body acceptance is normal but EveryBody is geared to an adult audience."

So already the name is failing and the market is diminishing, and segregation is being enforced and the idea that the events may be slightly seedy are being placed in peoples minds. But if it is for 18 plus but for younger adults -where does that leave those younger adults with children. Apparently they will not deny the oaps who seriously want to party.  If there is an idea that BN is just old people then surely that idea will just flourish, youngsters will stay to EveryBody  and families - well maybe they can get lost. OK there is NKD but to really enjoy a lifestyle you need more than a long weekend. And if the youngsters don't want to join BN then are the young families going to want to? As who will want to bring their children to events that are more geared to oaps? The best way to create a community is to encourage community values, unite us through naturism and give generations opportunities to mix with each other and learn from each other and support each other. Naturism is about nature and nature always had the generations working together for the good of the community. 

When Anna was on the women's forum the other week Anna pointed out that 82% of women her age have children and that to consider women we also have to consider families - and for that we need more family events. One woman said - "you only want more family events because you have children yourself" And you think - what do you not get about 82%. It is those that don't have children and do not consider the idea of naturism being for families who are playing to the minority group that they sit in. If we didn't have children we would still want families - because families are able to supply a huge amount of people, because families keep things appropriate and because families add fun and excitement and are brilliant to watch - naturism bring out the child in all of us - so why would anyone not wnat it to bring out the child in children! How can people bemoan the rate of women becoming naturists when there are people (including women themselves) who do not see that most women of a certain age need to consider their children. 

How do we support the ists and the isms of social nudity when we don't actually use any logic in supporting the life choice itself?

Having read all the comments, I'm sitting on a fence. On one side, I believe any initiatives to bring more people to naturism is laudable. On the other, any initiative that "excludes" people is questionnable. If EveryBody age bracket is 18-50, as I understand, then it's plain stupid as rightly said it excludes families. We are naturist or nudist because we enjoy the comfort of nudity and discovered that many naturists and nudists are more friendly and respectful. Many were born naturists, others came to naturism and had an epiphany. Like anything in life some people will try naturism and will not like it. Some will try and will love it. Some will become holiday naturists, some everyday naturists. Some will be advocate, like many on ANW, some will be quiet. I believe there are as many naturists and nudists as they are people on the planet. I love naturism and nudism, and I believe it's not for everybody. And I'm fine with it.

As to attract more people to naturism and nudism, it's not by being exclusive that it will be done, but by being inclusive. For sure, in any club or association, there should be rules. Some clubs may be for families with young kids, others for adults without kids, this is fine. But a national federation should be cautious not to polarize and exclude. It's hard but necessary.

As to attract more people to naturism and nudism, I focus on having more people accepting naturism, nudism and social nudity. The more people understand that nudity is a natural and normal way of being, the more will want to try. As for many on ANW, I believe that the day nudity is socially accepted, naturism will cease to exist. This should be the ultimate goal of a really inclusive and respectful society.

Having written this, I wish you all a wonderful weekend under the auspices of Diwali, the Indian festival of lights. We need more light in our lives!

We have spent a couple of days considering this, because truth be told, this has occupied our thoughts a great deal. We stated in our first post we felt the removal of the word "Naturisum" would be dangerous, and now as we look at the BN forum we can see, the debate is now on asking the question should the "Naturist Foundation" Consider removing the word naturisum from it's title. 

This is the danger of this new idealism based on post modernism political idologies, it divides and dismantles bringing everything down to a singular subject idealism and view point, they call it inclusivity, but it is not, it is exculsionary, and we are now seeing it happen in the one area we felt was immune to it. This feels like a very slippery slope that BN have jumped onto, and we feel this could create a lot of problems. What we do not understand is, that for some time there have been a lot of disgruntelled members on the BN forums complaining about a lack of events, and to a degree, this new "Everybody" campaign may address that, well, it will if you are between 18 and 50.

It feels to us that in bid to boost numbers, which is the primary aim of BN, who use the revenues to invest into Sunfolk and run other events, as well as campaign, they are actually prepared to throw a great many familes, older people, and the a term we have all embraced, under the bus, in order to appear modern and trendy, and we feel that it may have some very dire consequeces for them, and naturism.

The point is, the wheels are in motion, and none of us really know what will happen, and all we can do is sit back and watch, but one thing we do know for certain, is that this family, the RnR family will always hold on to the "ism" it is who we are, and we will always encourgae others to join us, albeit not at the new modern BN events, of which it appears we are now pretty much excluded.

Thanks for both the thought and comment above. I wonder if the idea of ditching the term naturist is a way of ditching the past negative publicity. We have had protests against naturism so lets walk away form the name  - but the protests were against social nudity what ever you call it the protests will exist while people remain confused. Ditching a word that has served us for decades is simply a cowardly solution. Maybe we should rebrand England as Everybodyland because their are aspects of the past we do not like to recall. Maybe we could change the name of the country everytime anything goes wrong, just as we seem to change our political leaders. 

For the first time in the UK we have this figure that 14% of people are happy with the naked ists and ism - ten years ago it was 6% and 20 years ago it was 2% - so why when the acceptance is rising would we consider dropping it? At a time when it seems to me that people like health, educational, social labels more than ever. 

I look again at the Everybody website and it says "EveryBody appeals to the younger generation who love to be Naked but don't necessarily need an 'ist' or 'ism' label." Need - isn't that a strange word to use - does anyone "need" the label - they may want it or be happy with it but the idea of needing it sounds almost obsessive - almost like they are acting like they hate the people who still want the label. How very needy they are of their word! Need is an unfortunate choice of word. That sentence is actually really damning of the 9000 paying members who bought into BN to support a lifestyle based around a philosophy and a word that they care about. 55% of the people in our survey last December who were national body members said that they were so primarily to support the work the national body does on behalf of the lifestyle. So the majority of their members are in favour of naturism. If the word gets removed then it is based on a modern woke like fear of pleasing everyone but that is impossible. Anna and I want to please everyone on ANW but we know we simply cannot - so instead we allow as fair a community as we can, within the scope of the naturist/nudist/naked lifestyle we believe in and understand that making everyone happy is beyond our ability but we mean no harm in it - we just have to have limitations - we have to draw lines. 

Anna quipped earlier while writing her latest H&E that EverBody should maybe be called EveryYoungChildlessAdultBody but maybe that doesn't seem as snappy.  I am sure BN have a great want to reel youngsters in to EveryBody and then maybe through offering event discounts or simply through connections encourage them to join BN - that would make sense to me but at the moment it seems to be that the charade is so well hidden that it is actually insulting to the existing BN members who love being naturists and have done so for years. We should not be suggesting that we discard "naturism" simply because some people don't use the word, we should be encouraging them to respect the word enough that they want to use it. "Gosh do you like being social naked - well that is naturism - and isn't that brilliant!" Not "oh well we have  always called it naturism, but if you don't like it then we will get rid of the name and call it nothing instead, as long as it makes you feel appreciated." For goodness sake why have we all got to be such wet blankets! Respect is gained through strentgh and consistency - even children know that inconsistent behaviour and no rules makes them miserable and confused. 

If the Naturist Foundation changes its name then it is being supremely weak, and those that suggest it is a good idea are simply jumping on a band wagon that has no purpose but to go around and around in circles smiling at everyone but not really caring about anything. We have no proof that naturism is a hated term we are assuming it because it is not used by everyone. The need to not offend anyone and keep everyone happy is child-ish beyond belief. And I am sure I should not say that because it is offensive to children in today's society. The world cannot be productive if everything has to please everyone - it is Catch 22 like in the premise and would have Orwell putting pen to paper and writing a new Animal Farm. The world is grinding to a halt, politics is spiralling out of control, free speach is only free if it doesn't lay claims to any opinion, and people are trying so hard to love everyone that hatred is at its highest. The reason we have protests against Naturism is because we have dared to be different. If we stop being different - then we stop being naturists - we should want to change the world - change opinions - change attitudes - and instead we are rolling over and asking for our tummies to be rubbed. What is the next step? Removing the idea of nudity? That could make us really popular. The Person Foundation for people who are more comfortable in clothing but naked underneath. BN - "British No-different- to-anyone-else" - we support the right of everyone to be average and not offend anyone and in doing so we like to encourage all minorities to join us accept the people who are in the minority of wanting to be naked - which let's face it is just weird! Surely that would make for a more positive acceptance. I am 100% behind supporting BN and all things naturist - that is what it is all about - promoting and encouraging naturism- so I am being flippant - but they should not lose faith - their job is too important. ANW rebranded- A Nondescript World.

Naturism is a minority group - we have just been given the good news that we are now 14% of the population that is great - now is not the time to waiver - now is the time to demand a better level of understanding of naturism. Vegans represent maybe 3% of the population yet they are still supported in supermarkets and restuarants throughout then land and are not considered weird by many. We are almost 5 times that. Are Vegans afraid of their label? Are they suggesting calling themselves EveryFruitandNut? there was much talk about having naturism protected as a minority, that minority is a more powerful minority than it was not to long ago. At 14% we have the right to start saying - we are a decent part of society - recognise us - once that is done we will need the name to move forward with and see that 14% grow and grow. The word naturism has never had it so good - so let us start really pushing out the boat and causing waves. The Good Ship Naturism can only be sunk if it is scuppered by its crew.